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(12-03-2015, 07:47 AM)rheavn Wrote:  John,
You spoke with Jimmy at Newell.  Did he describe the 12V & 110V systems as being totally separate?  I only use my 12V air pump when I have my coach in storage.  The rest of the time I rely on the 110V air pump and engine compressor to keep the coach aired up which includes the systems supplied air by the 12V air pump.  If Jimmy meant that the 12V system is separate going from the 12V air pump I would agree.  But the air going from the engine compressor and the 110V air pump pressurizes the ENTIRE coach air system.  The 12V air pump is too small & would burn up before it could pressurize the entire coach.

As a test I went out and drained all the air from my coach.  I turned on the 12V air pump and the 3 gallon air tank in the right wheel well filled and the regulator in the AquaHot bay went to 60 psi.  I checked the brake system & supply air gauges and they were still at zero. 

I then redrained the system & turned on the 110V air compressor, but left the 12V air pump off.  First the brake system pressurized.  Then the auxillary air system AND the items supplied air by the 12V air pump pressurized.  Now how can this be.  There are check valve(s) that allow the 12V air pump to just pressurize a few items, but allow the engine compressor and 110V air compressor to pressurize all coach systems.

I hope this experiment helps you & others understand the air system...........................  

You wrote, "Was too busy today to crib it up, and drain tanks, but hopefully by the weekend. Hope that is the culprit."

Water is just the first problem.  Once you get water in your tanks, rust begins forming.  Now small particles of metal are being pushed through your system.  Both water and the rust play havoc on the air valving.  As Michael said he actually had an air tank rust out.  I had a leaking tank too when I first got my coach and had to replace it.  You may have to do more than just drain your air tanks.  It's just that draining your 10 air tanks and changing your desiccant filter is the place to start.
Steve,
Thank you so much for the test and the info, it is very much appreciated. Although I have owned this coach for a year and a half, I am obviously still a newbie in many ways. So thank you for your patience with all my questions and issues.
I took Jimmy's explanation as it being separate, but evidently with your test, it is not.
Could water be the problem stopping my air door from not working? Is there a check valve near there to check out?
I ordered a rebuild kit (29.98) for the left side dump tank and one for the Palm valve (39.98) for the Generator tray. Will get them in a week, so I'm trying to get some things together to do under the coach all at one time, like lubrication, engine oil change, and draining the tanks. Should I install drains cocks with a pull cord? Is 34.42 each a good price for them? If so, how many should be installed, and on which tanks?
Can you also tell me the lubrication points and what type of grease? Is all this stuff in the manuals?
Sorry for so many questions, please let me know if you don't mind.
Thanks!
John

John, Sheri & Lily Kai Curwick
1996 Newell #406, 2015 Jeep Rubicon Hard Rock, FJ Cruiser, Harley Fatboy. 35 CABO Express Tongue
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Air operating systems - by qcj - 07-24-2014, 09:38 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by Ozarkguy - 07-24-2014, 10:06 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by encantotom - 07-24-2014, 10:12 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by Ozarkguy - 07-24-2014, 11:12 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by qcj - 07-24-2014, 11:30 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by encantotom - 07-24-2014, 11:34 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by Shamu406 - 12-01-2015, 06:33 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by qcj - 07-24-2014, 11:47 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by encantotom - 07-24-2014, 11:48 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by qcj - 08-02-2014, 10:02 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by encantotom - 08-02-2014, 10:36 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by folivier - 08-02-2014, 10:37 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by qcj - 08-02-2014, 11:11 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by qcj - 08-03-2014, 10:34 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by rheavn - 08-03-2014, 11:30 AM
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RE: Air operating systems - by rheavn - 12-01-2015, 05:34 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by Shamu406 - 12-01-2015, 06:51 AM
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RE: Air operating systems - by Chester Stone - 12-01-2015, 08:20 AM
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RE: Air operating systems - by Fulltiming - 12-01-2015, 03:58 PM
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RE: Air operating systems - by Shamu406 - 12-02-2015, 08:54 PM
RE: Air operating systems - by rheavn - 12-03-2015, 07:47 AM
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RE: Air operating systems - by rheavn - 12-04-2015, 05:46 AM
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RE: Air operating systems - by DogKnots - 12-05-2015, 08:32 AM
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RE: Air operating systems - by Richard - 02-23-2016, 05:20 AM
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RE: Air operating systems - by rheavn - 02-23-2016, 06:34 PM
RE: Air operating systems - by Richard - 02-24-2016, 06:38 AM
RE: Air operating systems - by rheavn - 02-24-2016, 07:52 AM
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