[CaptainGizmo]

I am not trying to be persnickety. The fogging problem started when Newell converted to frameless windows. The framed windows of earlier era do not have this same issue.

Yes, Richard…when I was referring to “all”, I meant all of the newer coaches with frameless windows.  Thanks for clarifying.

And like Jim says…it’s not Newell’s fault; they’re frustrated as well with the shoddy quality of Hehr/Lippert windows.

I had this discussion with them and even entertained the discussion of doing their own windows.  Huge undertaking, sure, but then again…pretty bad when you’ve got pretty much every multi-million dollar coach running around with this timebomb that will cause not only a visual annoyance, but a huge inconvenience and potential for “messing” things up during the repairs.