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How I Connected Relays to A/Cs
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(05-02-2025, 06:50 PM)whited44 Wrote:  
(05-02-2025, 05:37 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  
(05-02-2025, 04:51 PM)whited44 Wrote:  Here’s an update on my AC’s. 

The rear unit appeared to be on fire prior to my ownership. Luckily it didn’t burn the whole coach down.  The red circled area is where I believe it started.  I’m just wondering if I should cut my losses with these and change to a mini split set up??  

The front unit I’m going to put some capacitors in and see if I can get that one running.

Yup that's been on fire! I bet it started at the main power terminal block, mine had one of those that was very loose and barely hanging on. Luckily mine was not making enough contact to pass voltage so it never was able to get hot enough to do that. 

I know a guy that can fix that. I imagine as long as the compressors are in good shape it would be easier to fix the existing units, but all depends on what you want to do. How does the rest of the unit look, are the coils clean or are they crusty? Mine was in pretty good shape, indoor coils almost look like they are new. I went ahead and added ports to the units and charged them up and knock on wood they are running good. 

I am not sure how the guys are all integrating the mini split units. I was looking at the inverter compressors with the indoor unit much like a traditional air conditioner, figuring it would have the ability to connect up to the existing duct work and push air upstairs.

I’m game to fix what’s there if it’s doable. Are you talking about your relay swap??

Yes, I ditched the old boards all together and the old thermostats. I now have a commercial thermostat that can handle the two stage cooling, the other benefit is that you will now have the ability to control the A/C's with your phone, as long as you have wifi available. I keep a home wifi unit in the coach all the time so I can connect anytime and operate the A/C's remotely. Also allows you to monitor the temps in the coach remotely. 

It would be nice to be able to check the unit and see if it is working and the compressor is not locked up. Some testing would be required. I am not sure if you can swap the control boards from one unit to the other since your two units are different. I do have a spare board from one of my units. 

Is there a sticker with the wiring diagram on the back of the electrical access panel? Can you get me a picture of that sticker?

Jeff LoGiudice
Temple Terrace, Fl
1984 Bluebird Wanderlodge PT40
1998 Newell 2000 #490
1986 MCI/TMC 102A3 (sold)
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#82

You can use a ohm meter to check the compressor (megger would be better) mark the wires on the compressor and remove them, check from all terminals to the compressor case make sure you get a good connection to the case, if you low resistance, the compressor is shorted to ground and will blow fuses. The resistance between C and R should be a lot less than C to S .  I just wanted to use the board to see if the compressor turns produces suction and discharge pressures, you can power up the compressor with out a board, you would just use the wiring diagram to have the right starting gear in the right place, I would also put in a hard start kit, for the best odds of it starting, make sure you hook up the ground, I usually put my clamp on amp meter around the common to see what current I am drawing, I just use a 110 V plug and plug it in to a extension cord making sure I am not touching the compressor, If it starts and runs, I would let it run and start to touch the discharge pipe on the compressor if it starts to get hot you have some freon in the system and the compressor works, if the compressor sounds like it is running, draws low current,~ 1 -4 amps and the pipe does not get hot it could just mean the system has no gas because of a leak, leaks are repairable,

John Kosir
712 2004  45-8
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#83

(05-03-2025, 04:53 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  
(05-02-2025, 06:50 PM)whited44 Wrote:  
(05-02-2025, 05:37 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  
(05-02-2025, 04:51 PM)whited44 Wrote:  Here’s an update on my AC’s. 

The rear unit appeared to be on fire prior to my ownership. Luckily it didn’t burn the whole coach down.  The red circled area is where I believe it started.  I’m just wondering if I should cut my losses with these and change to a mini split set up??  

The front unit I’m going to put some capacitors in and see if I can get that one running.

Yup that's been on fire! I bet it started at the main power terminal block, mine had one of those that was very loose and barely hanging on. Luckily mine was not making enough contact to pass voltage so it never was able to get hot enough to do that. 

I know a guy that can fix that. I imagine as long as the compressors are in good shape it would be easier to fix the existing units, but all depends on what you want to do. How does the rest of the unit look, are the coils clean or are they crusty? Mine was in pretty good shape, indoor coils almost look like they are new. I went ahead and added ports to the units and charged them up and knock on wood they are running good. 

I am not sure how the guys are all integrating the mini split units. I was looking at the inverter compressors with the indoor unit much like a traditional air conditioner, figuring it would have the ability to connect up to the existing duct work and push air upstairs.

I’m game to fix what’s there if it’s doable. Are you talking about your relay swap??

Yes, I ditched the old boards all together and the old thermostats. I now have a commercial thermostat that can handle the two stage cooling, the other benefit is that you will now have the ability to control the A/C's with your phone, as long as you have wifi available. I keep a home wifi unit in the coach all the time so I can connect anytime and operate the A/C's remotely. Also allows you to monitor the temps in the coach remotely. 

It would be nice to be able to check the unit and see if it is working and the compressor is not locked up. Some testing would be required. I am not sure if you can swap the control boards from one unit to the other since your two units are different. I do have a spare board from one of my units. 

Is there a sticker with the wiring diagram on the back of the electrical access panel? Can you get me a picture of that sticker?

Here is that sticker inside the unit with the wiring diagram. Coils look good from what I can see


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Dennis White
1997 Newell Coach 454
Canfield OH
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This may be a Better photo.


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Be seeing you,

Rick Miller
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1996, 45'+, Non-slide, Series 60, ABS, 1.5 Bath, Reverse Floorplan


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#85

(05-04-2025, 09:58 AM)whited44 Wrote:  
(05-03-2025, 04:53 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  
(05-02-2025, 06:50 PM)whited44 Wrote:  
(05-02-2025, 05:37 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  
(05-02-2025, 04:51 PM)whited44 Wrote:  Here’s an update on my AC’s. 

The rear unit appeared to be on fire prior to my ownership. Luckily it didn’t burn the whole coach down.  The red circled area is where I believe it started.  I’m just wondering if I should cut my losses with these and change to a mini split set up??  

The front unit I’m going to put some capacitors in and see if I can get that one running.

Yup that's been on fire! I bet it started at the main power terminal block, mine had one of those that was very loose and barely hanging on. Luckily mine was not making enough contact to pass voltage so it never was able to get hot enough to do that. 

I know a guy that can fix that. I imagine as long as the compressors are in good shape it would be easier to fix the existing units, but all depends on what you want to do. How does the rest of the unit look, are the coils clean or are they crusty? Mine was in pretty good shape, indoor coils almost look like they are new. I went ahead and added ports to the units and charged them up and knock on wood they are running good. 

I am not sure how the guys are all integrating the mini split units. I was looking at the inverter compressors with the indoor unit much like a traditional air conditioner, figuring it would have the ability to connect up to the existing duct work and push air upstairs.

I’m game to fix what’s there if it’s doable. Are you talking about your relay swap??

Yes, I ditched the old boards all together and the old thermostats. I now have a commercial thermostat that can handle the two stage cooling, the other benefit is that you will now have the ability to control the A/C's with your phone, as long as you have wifi available. I keep a home wifi unit in the coach all the time so I can connect anytime and operate the A/C's remotely. Also allows you to monitor the temps in the coach remotely. 

It would be nice to be able to check the unit and see if it is working and the compressor is not locked up. Some testing would be required. I am not sure if you can swap the control boards from one unit to the other since your two units are different. I do have a spare board from one of my units. 

Is there a sticker with the wiring diagram on the back of the electrical access panel? Can you get me a picture of that sticker?

Here is that sticker inside the unit with the wiring diagram. Coils look good from what I can see

Interesting, appears to be a single fan motor. Must be dual purpose, for the outside fan and the blower fan, like a window unit.

Jeff LoGiudice
Temple Terrace, Fl
1984 Bluebird Wanderlodge PT40
1998 Newell 2000 #490
1986 MCI/TMC 102A3 (sold)
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Does anyone have the part number for the smaller Scs 1301 unit??  Fan craps out after about 30 minutes of running. Jeff and I think the motor is about to give up. 

I’m going to get the smaller 1301 unit running first and then deal with the bigger 2702 unit later.

Dennis White
1997 Newell Coach 454
Canfield OH
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